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Lancaster - "A City Authentic" New City Brand - WTF???

Poll: A City Authentic (47 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you think of the new "city Brand" overall?

  1. I love it! (3 votes [6.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.38%

  2. I like it. (3 votes [6.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.38%

  3. Not sure. (4 votes [8.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.51%

  4. Needs work. (9 votes [19.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.15%

  5. It completely sucks! (28 votes [59.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 59.57%

What about the "rose"?

  1. Works for me. (3 votes [6.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.38%

  2. Why is it orange? (16 votes [34.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.04%

  3. It completely sucks! (11 votes [23.40%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.40%

  4. What rose? (17 votes [36.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.17%

How do you feel about "a city authentic" as a description of Lancaster?

  1. It's cool and trendy. I love it! (3 votes [6.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.38%

  2. It's okay, I guess. (6 votes [12.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.77%

  3. Neither like nor dislike it. (4 votes [8.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.51%

  4. It's stupid! What the hell does it mean??? (34 votes [72.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.34%

Are you comfortable with the city "just doing this" with no public input?

  1. That's their job, they know better than I do. (6 votes [12.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.77%

  2. I think public input would have been nice. (15 votes [31.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.91%

  3. I'm complacent, so whatever... (2 votes [4.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.26%

  4. How the hell could they do this without asking anyone?!?!?! (24 votes [51.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.06%

Do you feel that this marketing move by the city:

  1. Increases your sense of satisfaction with city hall's performance. (6 votes [12.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.77%

  2. Makes you unsure about how decisions are made that affect you. (11 votes [23.40%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.40%

  3. Decreases your satisfaction with city hall's performance. (14 votes [29.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.79%

  4. Makes you mad as hell that they would even think of this. (16 votes [34.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.04%

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#1 User is offline   Citydweller 

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 06:22 PM

So, I get home from work today, and in my email box is a little ditty telling me about "Exciting news for downtown Lancaster!"

The news is that the City has a "new brand", along with a catch-phrase-thingy: a city authentic

But wait, it gets worse. There's a graphic involved:

Attached Image: cityoflancasterweb.jpg


Now I have a LOT of bad things to say about all of this, including who the hell decided to do this and how was it paid for and why in the hell weren't we asked if we even WANTED a "new brand"!?!?!?!?!

But first, let's examine the "rose", such as it is.

To start with, it's orange. Being as Lancaster is The Red Rose City, that's just completely from Mars. Or some lame-assed metrosexual "design professional" wearing euro-glasses and a turtleneck.

Next, and I think this is kind of important here, it's not a rose.

This is a rose:

Attached Image: red-rose.jpg

This is an orange box with random lines running through it:

Attached Image: rose_box.jpg

Everyone notice the difference?

Next, we have the "catch phrase": a city authentic

I have three words to say about this one, but I'm not going to say them, even though I'm allowed to in here. I think we can "take it as read".

Obviously, the euro-glasses-wearing metrosexual had a power-lunch with his racquetball partner, a renaissance literature major working on his masters, and they thought that piece of crap up after 3 or 4 cosmos. Probably still bragging about it to their other euro-trash intellectualist metrosexual business pals.

But the thing is, it sucks ass.

It says nothing about Lancaster, and worse, it sounds like we're trying to explain how "authentic" we are, like it's a question that needs to be settled.

Authentically what, exactly? In existence?

Our old catch phrase, "America's Oldest Inland City" actually meant something, and it was a very nice point of historical pride to take, since we are that indeed.

This new piece of crap sounds like we're either a trendy bistro or the title of a failed off-broadway play.

Last, we have the "new" typeface for the whole package. Bold, stirring, hinting at history and drama..... it isn't. Looks like Arial Narrow to me. Comes free with even the crappiest word processor. Looks like the company secretary did it, in a hurry.

SO, if you haven't figured it out yet, I think this entire thing sucks in the biggest possible way.

I want to know who did it.

I want to know who decided someone should even do it to begin with.

I want to know what it cost, and who's paying for it. Oh yeah, and the commercial and brochure that come along with it. What the hell did those cost ???

Lastly, I want to know what involvement city council had in the "re-branding" of the city, and why the hell nobody ever bothered to mention it before just doing it, like someone besides US owns the damned city.


So, what do the rest of you think?
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 06:36 PM

Once again, the city administration has decided to do something without public input. When Rick Gray and Co were re-elected they were given another green light to do as they please without public input.

Once again, taxpayer money is being spent for artsy fartsy niceties that really won't do anything to help the city.

What the hell does "city authentic" mean?? :metallicblue:

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 06:54 PM

Holy crap! That is awful! Really awful! OMG!

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 07:27 PM

You did vote for the guy didn't you? In all seriousness though, it looks like a bunch of crap! Just as you put it. If this was a good thing or at least something they thought would bring good things and notoriety to the city you'd think they'd have been pumping it to everyone for quite a long time. I have to got with Kate's theory on this one. Looks like something the idiot in charge wanted and knew he'd take all kinds of hell for it so it was kept quite hush hush.

Shoot me the email if you could? I'd like to check the whole thing out.
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 07:36 PM

View PostFDR, on 11 August 2010 - 07:27 PM, said:

You did vote for the guy didn't you?


No

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 08:47 PM

One of my neighbors made this comment about the logo:

"Reminds me of an emblem used by Germany in the 1930's"

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 08:54 PM

It should say "a city full of thugs" Posted Image
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:02 PM

A city authentically confused.


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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:44 PM

Lancaster - A city (More or less)

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 10:16 PM

View PostKate, on 11 August 2010 - 08:47 PM, said:

One of my neighbors made this comment about the logo:

"Reminds me of an emblem used by Germany in the 1930's"




Perhaps we can call it the "Lancstika".
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 10:35 PM

For what it's worth, that little cubic rose icon is not terribly new. Look around - it's been on city signs for months, if not more than a year. That said, in the instances I've seen it, it's always been bold red. Orange is definitely incorrect.

"A city authentic" sounds like it was spat out by some online slogan generator. A factory despondent. Blech.

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 10:58 PM

I think that the symbol is a knock-off of a politically correct 'unity' symbol.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:29 AM

View PostCitydweller, on 11 August 2010 - 10:16 PM, said:

<br />Perhaps we can call it the &quot;Lancstika&quot;.<br />
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Kind of struck me that way, but doesn't fit the definition as well as the symbol already displayed at the Heritage Center.

Authentic: 1. entitled to acceptance or belief; reliable; trustworthy <see Lancaster anywhere in there?
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Posted 12 August 2010 - 05:31 AM

Obviously, what's next should be your suggestions of Lancaster's 'motto'!

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 05:51 AM

View PostRonHarper, on 12 August 2010 - 05:31 AM, said:

Obviously, what's next should be your suggestions of Lancaster's 'motto'!


Bad streets, bad food, high crime

It's not as bad a Jersey

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 06:58 AM

View Postsalty, on 12 August 2010 - 04:29 AM, said:

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Kind of struck me that way, but doesn't fit the definition as well as the symbol already displayed at the Heritage Center.

Authentic: 1. entitled to acceptance or belief; reliable; trustworthy <see Lancaster anywhere in there?


Yes, I do see Lancaster:

entitled to acceptance or belief

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 07:45 AM

I think someone has an inferiority complex in City Hall. A city authentic?? What kind of statement is that? What were they thinking?

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 07:53 AM

View PostRonHarper, on 12 August 2010 - 05:31 AM, said:

Obviously, what's next should be your suggestions of Lancaster's 'motto'!


Lancaster - A City (Really, we are. I'm not kidding. Stop Laughing. I'm serious.)

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 08:01 AM

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 08:06 AM

I got the email too and I thought it stinks. The logo, the slogan, the font...bummer. I just got back from a photography business workshop and we talked about branding for half a day. I certainly wouldn't consider myself knowledgable on the topic of branding, but given the little that I did learn, I can say with a decent amount of confidence that this sucks. I really like "the oldest inland city". That says a hell of a lot in just a few words and is something interesting to tout to visitors.
It really irks me that this is the logo and catchphrase that outsiders are going to see everywhere. Incredibly, Lancaster was featured in the August issue of Bon Appetit which brings a significant amount of attention to us from a certain group of people. And this is the logo by which we'll be known to all those people who now know we exist?! The least they could have done was come up with a few designs and allow us to vote. Or have a design contest.

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