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So there is still a standoff in Wisconsin, with Gov. Scott Walker continuing his attempts to bust the state's public unions, and public unions continuing to fill the state capitol with protesters.It is, said AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka last week, organized labor's last stand.And if that ...

 

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Farmer Vincent

Beloved (lol) filmmaker Michael Moore went to Madison to make a statement. He made some good points about who controls this country.

 

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skeptic2mod

I'm not sure this got much coverage, thanks for posting.

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Farmer Vincent

Here's part of what Moore is talking about. The state is not broke.

 

http://www.mcclatchy...l#ixzz1Fq55idqh

 

Defenders of the public pension system say anti-government, anti-union elected officials and interest groups have exaggerated the problem to score political points, and that as the economy heals, public pension plans will gain value and prove critics wrong.

 

"There's a window that's closing as market conditions improve and interest rates rise, the funding of these plans is going to look better than depicted by some," insisted Keith Brainard, the director of research for the National Association of State Retirement Administrators in Georgetown, Texas.

 

 

 

IMO what's motivating the drive to eliminate unions more than anything is that it galls the wealthy that they (unions) give the middle class some political clout.

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Farmer Vincent

They're falling like domino's. First Ohio, now Wisconsin where it was questionably rammed through. It's happening so fast that it's looking like a corporate shock and awe campaign. I thought it was astounding that Missouri might do away with child labor laws, but what's being proposed in Michigan tops that. The Governor is trying to get a bill though that essentially allows him, the Governor to totally subvert local democracy by taking over cities, disbanding their elected officials, and handing them over to corporations.

 

 

http://www.frequency.com/video/rachel-maddow-michigans-dystopian/3219799

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prettylight

This was a stunning surprise (to me, anyway) that this was about Obama--had just thought it was just the corporate agenda for the country:

 

"If we win this battle, and the money is not there under the auspices of the unions, certainly what you’re going to find is President Obama is going to have a much difficult, much more difficult time getting elected and winning the state of Wisconsin."

 

--Wisconsin Sen. Majority Leader, Scott Fitzgerald, on Fox News (from another thread on this forum)

 

 

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Citydweller

This was a stunning surprise (to me, anyway)

 

Then it may also surprise you that 60% of freshman Senators and 40% of freshman Representatives are millionaires. A large number of these extra-wealthy new members of the wealthiest club in America are....surprise!...... tea party candidates who were swept into office by the angry common-folk because they're, you know, just like you and me. (;))

 

Things starting to add up yet?

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prettylight

Then it may also surprise you that 60% of freshman Senators and 40% of freshman Representatives are millionaires. A large number of these extra-wealthy new members of the wealthiest club in America are....surprise!...... tea party candidates who were swept into office by the angry common-folk because they're, you know, just like you and me. (;))

 

Things starting to add up yet?

 

That part doesn't surprise me (that's completely what I would have expected--->:msn_animated_emoticons_201_thum) , but it never occurred to me that any of this had anything to do with the next presidential election (i.e., Obama).

 

But why wouldn't it? DOH!:pat:

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Citydweller

The counter-punch to that strategy would be to register as republican, ignore the primaries, and then vote how you want on election day.

 

Spread the word.

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Farmer Vincent

The counter-punch to that strategy would be to register as republican, ignore the primaries, and then vote how you want on election day.

 

Spread the word.

 

Okay Rush, lol. Although if there's a three or four way horserace between frontrunners in the primary, it would be naughty to vote for the one you think would be most likely to not win in the election.

Palin/Bachmann 2012.

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prettylight

Okay Rush, lol. Although if there's a three or four way horserace between frontrunners in the primary, it would be naughty to vote for the one you think would be most likely to not win in the election.

Palin/Bachmann 2012.

 

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skeptic2mod

Okay Rush, lol. Although if there's a three or four way horserace between frontrunners in the primary, it would be naughty to vote for the one you think would be most likely to not win in the election.

Palin/Bachmann 2012.

Ahhh, Operation Chaos..

 

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dowhatyoulike

Like that all hasn't been happening for years. I live in Lancaster County. Of course I was a registered Republican, for years, so I could actually vote for some kind of a contest in the primary. That all changed when they impeached Clinton. I remember voting for Pat Buchanan in a primary, back in the 90s. Gimme a chance, I'll stick my thumb in their eye every time. You know figuratively speaking, anyway.

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Farmer Vincent

I'm hoping that the result of all this blatant craziness is that Dems and Independents get out in droves in the next elections and put a screeching halt to the GOP handing over our country to corporations and billionaires. It won't help that much with the states that have already made that jump, but it would be a start.

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Farmer Vincent

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Citydweller

"Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost."

 

- Ronald Reagan

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Farmer Vincent

*Crickets*

 

It's strangely quiet on here. Is this a time for reflection and introspection for our right wing apologists?

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Farmer Vincent

This doesn't even sound real, but I haven't seen anything to the contrary yet. If somebody does, please post it here.

 

 

Sen. Fitzgerald: Email re: Senate Democrat voting privileges in standing committees

3/14/2011

 

From: Sen.Fitzgerald

Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:52 PM

To: *Legislative Senate Republicans

Subject: Senate Democrat voting privileges in standing committees

 

Dear Members,

 

With the return of the Senate Democrats this weekend, questions have arisen regarding Democrat members’ participation in Senate standing committee public hearings and executive sessions.

 

Please note that all 14 Democrat senators are still in contempt of the Senate. Therefore, when taking roll call votes on amendments and bills during executive sessions, Senate Democrats’ votes will not be reflected in the Records of Committee Proceedings or the Senate Journal. They are free to attend hearings, listen to testimony, debate legislation, introduce amendments, and cast votes to signal their support/opposition, but those votes will not count, and will not be recorded.

 

If you have any questions, feel free to contact my office.

 

Thank you,

 

Scott Fitzgerald

Senate Majority Leader

13th Senate District

 

 

http://wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=230087

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skeptic2mod

This doesn't even sound real, but I haven't seen anything to the contrary yet. If somebody does, please post it here.

 

 

Sen. Fitzgerald: Email re: Senate Democrat voting privileges in standing committees

3/14/2011

 

From: Sen.Fitzgerald

Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:52 PM

To: *Legislative Senate Republicans

Subject: Senate Democrat voting privileges in standing committees

 

Dear Members,

 

With the return of the Senate Democrats this weekend, questions have arisen regarding Democrat members’ participation in Senate standing committee public hearings and executive sessions.

 

Please note that all 14 Democrat senators are still in contempt of the Senate. Therefore, when taking roll call votes on amendments and bills during executive sessions, Senate Democrats’ votes will not be reflected in the Records of Committee Proceedings or the Senate Journal. They are free to attend hearings, listen to testimony, debate legislation, introduce amendments, and cast votes to signal their support/opposition, but those votes will not count, and will not be recorded.

 

If you have any questions, feel free to contact my office.

 

Thank you,

 

Scott Fitzgerald

Senate Majority Leader

13th Senate District

 

 

http://wispolitics.c...?Article=230087

Word is folks have about half the signatures needed to recall Wisconsin state senators

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Citydweller

Word is folks have about half the signatures needed to recall Wisconsin state senators

 

Based on what the republicans are getting away with right now, I'd imagine their response to a recall would be "Hey! How about NO!".

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skeptic2mod

Based on what the republicans are getting away with right now, I'd imagine their response to a recall would be "Hey! How about NO!".

If the recall election were tomorrow, probably most republican senators would lose. But it won't be tomorrow and my statement is based on generic polling rather than a specific ballot choice.

 

Bottom line- no politician wants to go through an extra election.

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FDR

Next up on the chopping block?

 

Some states, like Wisconsin, are asking state employees to contribute more to their pension plans, but others are just scrapping them.spacer.gif

 

http://prospect.org/...ions_altogether

 

Few jobs pay what those state employees are making and even fewer jobs provide pension plans. Why should state employees have it any better than the common folk? We have to save for ourselves and our futures.......................welcome to our world.

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skeptic2mod

Next up on the chopping block?

 

Some states, like Wisconsin, are asking state employees to contribute more to their pension plans, but others are just scrapping them.spacer.gif

 

http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=republicans_next_move_get_rid_of_pensions_altogether

So many state employees take jobs with a lower salary than they can make in the private sector because of job security and benefits.

 

It's remarkable how many politicians (almost all Repubs) are throwing out apparently erroneous figures talking about salary differentials.

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Farmer Vincent

Few jobs pay what those state employees are making and even fewer jobs provide pension plans. Why should state employees have it any better than the common folk? We have to save for ourselves and our futures.......................welcome to our world.

 

Isn't it a kind of right wing socialism to want everybody to lack what you lack too? Except for the rich, of course.

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Isn't it a kind of right wing socialism to want everybody to lack what you lack too? Except for the rich, of course.

If you look at departments like health and DEP, many of the workers have advanced degrees and make less than their counterparts in industry or say hospital administration.

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Farmer Vincent

I think it's an interesting social phenomena that after applying a conservative economic philosophy which produced a drain of manufacturing jobs, sharp decrease in unions, and reduction of what once were very common and expected benefits, that those same people who wholeheartedly supported that philosophy now call on those who didn't to share in the losses in job security and benefits. All it does is widen the class divide. The better way would be to try to gain back what once was.

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Farmer Vincent

The current leadership of the GOP is the most dangerous threat to America in the history of this country. Hyperbole? I wish it were. But the evidence clearly demonstrates that the GOP has mounted a concerted effort to circumvent the American people and install a modern-day feudalism that effectively abolishes the will of the people and their elected officials to allow our cities and states to be run by corporate-like CEOs – and there’s no telling where it will go from there.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/15/has-the-gop-become-a-threat-to-america/

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