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Nine states run by anti-choice Republicans have banned abortion at 20 weeks or earlier. But now the U.S. Senate is considering a nationwide 20-week abortion ban, which would include Pennsylvania.

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Farmer Vincent
9 minutes ago, grieker said:

But for interaction between someone/something and the gun - NO ONE GETS HURT - Period!

 

Accidental discharges.  

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4 minutes ago, Farmer Vincent said:

Guns have nothing to do with gun violence?  That's a silly argument.  What is a gunman without a gun? How many mass shootings have there been without guns?  They're mutually dependent.  

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clear good sense

how could anyone think anything but this?

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grieker
14 minutes ago, Farmer Vincent said:

Accidental discharges.  

Not with input.  A weapon laying there will NEVER discharge - NEVER!

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Farmer Vincent
1 minute ago, grieker said:

Not with input.  A weapon laying there will NEVER discharge - NEVER!

For the sake of the silly argument, guns can be rigged as a booby trap.   

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grieker
16 minutes ago, Farmer Vincent said:

Guns have nothing to do with gun violence?  That's a silly argument.  What is a gunman without a gun? How many mass shootings have there been without guns?  They're mutually dependent.  

Who the hell said guns have nothing to do with gun violence 'cept you Vince?  

I am a gunman each and every day - to date - no problems Vince.  My weapon cannot discharge without input - PERIOD.

The knife in the knife block can never cut anyone without input - Period.

Remove the "man" from the gun and you have no possible way for that gun to cause harm - NONE.  Add the "man" to the mixture - THEN anything can happen.  However with @113 guns for every 100 people in America - well, you do the math Vince.

@357 million firearms in America and @39,000 firearm related deaths per year.

@236 million automobiles in America and @40,000 auto related deaths per year.

@606,000 people die each year from cancer.

Guns don't kill people WITHOUT outside influence.

 

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grieker
6 minutes ago, Farmer Vincent said:

For the sake of the silly argument, guns can be rigged as a booby trap.   

They cannot rig themselves!  Just like the turtle on the fence post.  IT HAD HELP!  OUTSIDE INFLUENCE!

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41 minutes ago, Pastor of Muppets said:

Cognitive dissonance.

Belief disconfirmation[edit]

The contradiction of a belief, ideal or system of values, causes cognitive dissonance that can be resolved by changing the challenged belief yet, instead of effecting change, the resultant mental stress restores psychological consonance to the person, by misperception, rejection or refutation of the contradiction, seeking moral support from people who share the contradicted beliefs or acting to persuade other people that the contradiction is unreal.[5][6]

Guessing it's NRA propaganda, and people just hear it over and over and over? I know I have.

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

1 + 1 = 1

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Farmer Vincent
52 minutes ago, grieker said:

They cannot rig themselves!  Just like the turtle on the fence post.  IT HAD HELP!  OUTSIDE INFLUENCE!

I'm all for guns existing autonomously without humans.  How about you? 

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15 hours ago, Dan Daniels said:

prettylight posted on page 1 post 13 of this thread the reason why Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Ohio passed restrictive abortion laws. 

Her post hit the nail squarely on the head.

Stricter abortion bans are conservative-led states' gambit to overturn Roe vs. Wade

Los Angeles Times on May 11, 2019

ATLANTA -- When Republican lawmakers in Alabama weighed a stringent new bill that would outlaw almost all abortions, they did not pretend that it complied with federal law or that it would go into effect anytime soon.

"Yes, it's unconstitutional," state House Rep. Terri Collins, the bill's sponsor, said last week at a hearing. "All our pro-life bills are unconstitutional right now. That's the goal."

For years, conservatives in Southern and Midwestern states have been passing laws that restrict women's access to abortion: mandating women wait as long as 72 hours for the procedure after receiving counseling, banning widely used surgical abortion methods, limiting state Medicaid programs from covering most abortions.

Now they are pursuing a more extreme legal strategy. Emboldened by the rightward tilt of the U.S. Supreme Court, states are passing more severe restrictions and near-total bans in a deliberate attempt to trigger a lawsuit that could push the Supreme Court to overturn its landmark 1973 Roe vs. Wade decision, which recognized a woman's constitutional right to abortion.

Last week, Georgia followed Kentucky, Mississippi and Ohio to become the fourth state this year to outlaw abortion once a fetal "heartbeat" is detected, typically at around six weeks -- before most women know they are pregnant.

Georgia's new law gives an unborn child -- an embryo smaller than a coffee bean that has not developed a brain or organs that allow it to survive outside the womb -- the status of "a class of living, distinct persons" that deserves "full legal recognition."

more at

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-abortion-bans-states-roe-wade-supreme-court-20190511-story.html

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20 minutes ago, Farmer Vincent said:

If they're going to go that far with that law then they should take another step and jail any man who pays for the abortion or drives her to the other state for one.  He'd be accessory to murder after all.  Right?  

But I think these male lawmakers who are passing these laws would rather be immune to it all.  

Why stop there? I would think that any woman wanting a tubal ligation aught to be prosecuted too, along with the Doctor performing it.

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On 5/22/2019 at 11:09 AM, prettylight said:

 

What do you suggest Judd-head?

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Illinois House passes sweeping abortion rights bill after emotional floor debate

Current News / News & Features / May 28, 2019

CHICAGO -- After a lengthy and emotional debate, the Illinois House passed a controversial abortion rights bill Tuesday amid a growing sense of urgency to establish protections for access to the procedure as other states ...Read more

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So!  A pregnant woman takes advantage of the latest and greatest "pre-birth" tests and finds out her son to be will turn out to be gay, so she decides to have an abortion.

We all good?

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