The growing disinformation war

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Yesterday, Maria Ressa, the editor of Rappler, an independent news website in the Philippines (spoke) from her home country, where it was the middle of the night. Ressa described...how Rappler has been gearing up to cover critical elections in the Philippines, which will take place early next week. In the days that follow, Ressa will face arraignment in a Philippines court. In recent months, she has twice been arrested by the government of Rodrigo Duterte, an authoritarian leader who has waged a sustained campaign of harassment and disinformation against independent-minded journalists, in general, and Ressa, in particular.

Her arrests, and broader treatment by her government, are a clear example of the security threats against journalists emanating from malicious state actors around the world—actors who have only been emboldened by the Trump administration’s aggressive anti-press rhetoric. As the founder of a web-native publication in a developing media environment, however, Ressa’s experience of the disinformation war goes far beyond physical impediments to her freedom. “Welcome to my Alice in Wonderland world,” Ressa said.

https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/maria-ressa-disinformation-war.php

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Zeynep Tufekci, a techno-sociologist who writes for The New York Times and Wired, discussed the overwhelming effect of junk information on our public sphere, and the role of social media platforms in disseminating it. Tufekci argued that, in the 21st century, a surfeit of information, rather than its absence, poses the biggest problem. “When I was growing up in Turkey, the way censorship occurred was there was one TV channel and they wouldn’t show you stuff. That was it,” she said. “Currently, in my conceptualization, the way censorship occurs is by information glut. It’s not that the relevant information isn’t out there. But it is buried in so much information of suspect credibility that it doesn’t mean anything.” Tufekci cited the frenzied reporting, during the 2016 election, on WikiLeaks’s dump of hacked Democratic Party emails—much of which lacked crucial context—as a malign example of the trend. “I don’t think traditional journalism has caught up on this,” she said.

[Farmer Vincent 9544]

Trump's war on the White House press corps, essentially picking who can get in and only having a rare impromptu press conference on the White House driveway, is another step towards a dictatorship.  

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23 minutes ago, Farmer Vincent said:

Trump's war on the White House press corps, essentially picking who can get in and only having a rare impromptu press conference on the White House driveway, is another step towards a dictatorship.  

 

The thought occurs to me that they're not missing much, in that he lies nonstop anyway.

And when he's not lying, he's throwing out some inflammatory grenade, to get people all wrapped around the axle.

Or both.

 

but that is missing your good point, FV. You're right.

[grieker 3628]

3 hours ago, Farmer Vincent said:

Trump's war on the White House press corps, essentially picking who can get in and only having a rare impromptu press conference on the White House driveway, is another step towards a dictatorship.  

Anyone with an intelligence quotient over 40 recognizes the bias in the lyin progressive fake news media machines.  No one an iota of smarts would invite a criminal into their home if they knew they were a criminal.

Hell even the lyin progressive fake news media machines admit they are biased.

 

 

[Farmer Vincent 9544]

2 hours ago, grieker said:

Anyone with an intelligence quotient over 40 recognizes the bias in the lyin progressive fake news media machines.  No one an iota of smarts would invite a criminal into their home if they knew they were a criminal.

Hell even the lyin progressive fake news media machines admit they are biased.

 

 

They're biased towards the truth and that's what intelligent people want.  

[grieker 3628]

28 minutes ago, Farmer Vincent said:

They're biased towards the truth and that's what intelligent people want.  

Uh huh Vince, sure.

What happened to the RUSSIAN COLLUSION horse hockey that was laid out each and every hour of the day for the last 26 months? 

Or are you one of those progressives swashing back and forth in the cesspool of "Mueller's a good guy", "Mueller's a bad guy"?

The disinformation is predominately created and reported on by the lyin progressive fake news media machines.

 

[Farmer Vincent 9544]

2 hours ago, grieker said:

Uh huh Vince, sure.

What happened to the RUSSIAN COLLUSION horse hockey that was laid out each and every hour of the day for the last 26 months? 

Or are you one of those progressives swashing back and forth in the cesspool of "Mueller's a good guy", "Mueller's a bad guy"?

The disinformation is predominately created and reported on by the lyin progressive fake news media machines.

 

You're feeding on the disinformation campaign that's coming out of the White House and Barr. Why is it that they're so desperate to keep the full Mueller report secret?  Trump (and you) claims that it fully exonerates, so why do the opposite of bringing that to light?   They're acting like a three year old who broke a lamp and are trying to blame the dog.  "The dog was running and .. and .. look over there."

[grieker 3628]

1 hour ago, Farmer Vincent said:

You're feeding on the disinformation campaign that's coming out of the White House and Barr. Why is it that they're so desperate to keep the full Mueller report secret?  Trump (and you) claims that it fully exonerates, so why do the opposite of bringing that to light?   They're acting like a three year old who broke a lamp and are trying to blame the dog.  "The dog was running and .. and .. look over there."

For one - it is illegal to release grand jury information.

I differ with what you are insinuating Vince.  The progressives want all things ever touched or thought about by Trump and/or anyoneanything who know, dealt with or ever saw Trump because they HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING.  They cannot allow Trump to be president any longer since he was never supposed to be president.

[Farmer Vincent 9544]

1 hour ago, grieker said:

For one - it is illegal to release grand jury information.

I differ with what you are insinuating Vince.  The progressives want all things ever touched or thought about by Trump and/or anyoneanything who know, dealt with or ever saw Trump because they HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING.  They cannot allow Trump to be president any longer since he was never supposed to be president.

Trump is not only a very bad president but he's a risk to national security and democracy itself.  The real anomaly in Congress is Republicans who are going along with protecting the executive branch (rather than checking it's power grab) and Russia's agenda by default.  And many of the Republican's own agendas are directly counter to those of Democrats, such as keeping our relationship with allies strong, not harming the environment by handing over public land to fossil fuel concerns or deregulating pollution control measures, healthcare, voting rights, civil rights, religious liberties, consumer protection, etc.  And so yes, it will seem like Democrats want to get rid of Trump whichever way they can and I'm all for that.  But if they try to impeach, it will be by proper process.  That's why they need the full Mueller report.  It's ridiculous to keep it from them.  Take a civil trial for example.  There's no way an accused murderer's lawyer can block evidence being presented by the investigating detective and then declare their client innocent, especially since all circumstantial evidence places them at the scene of the crime and provides motivation.  But that's the same as what is happening here.  This investigation was about Russian interference and it swept up a whole list of characters involved with Trump's campaign.  Do you also claim they are all innocent, that there was nothing going on between them and their contacts?  And it is highly likely the Trump knew about most if not all of this.  He was even warned by the FBI about Flynn and Manafort.  All of Trump's subsequent actions were not typical of someone who is innocent.  He's pulling out all the stops to hide something big and it's creating a Constitutional crisis.  

[Pastor of Muppets 5442]

21 hours ago, grieker said:

Uh huh Vince, sure.

What happened to the RUSSIAN COLLUSION horse hockey that was laid out each and every hour of the day for the last 26 months? 

Or are you one of those progressives swashing back and forth in the cesspool of "Mueller's a good guy", "Mueller's a bad guy"?

The disinformation is predominately created and reported on by the lyin progressive fake news media machines.

 

A man with a conviction is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point. We have all experienced the futility of trying to change a strong conviction, especially if the convinced person has some investment in his belief. We are familiar with the variety of ingenious defenses with which people protect their convictions, managing to keep them unscathed through the most devastating attacks.

But man’s resourcefulness goes beyond simply protecting a belief. Suppose an individual believes something with his whole heart; suppose further that he has a commitment to this belief, that he has taken irrevocable actions because of it; finally, suppose that he is presented with evidence, unequivocal and undeniable evidence, that his belief is wrong: what will happen? The individual will frequently emerge, not only unshaken, but even more convinced of the truth of his beliefs than ever before. Indeed, he may even show a new fervor about convincing and converting other people to his view.

[grieker 3628]

8 hours ago, Pastor of Muppets said:

A man with a conviction is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point. We have all experienced the futility of trying to change a strong conviction, especially if the convinced person has some investment in his belief. We are familiar with the variety of ingenious defenses with which people protect their convictions, managing to keep them unscathed through the most devastating attacks.

But man’s resourcefulness goes beyond simply protecting a belief. Suppose an individual believes something with his whole heart; suppose further that he has a commitment to this belief, that he has taken irrevocable actions because of it; finally, suppose that he is presented with evidence, unequivocal and undeniable evidence, that his belief is wrong: what will happen? The individual will frequently emerge, not only unshaken, but even more convinced of the truth of his beliefs than ever before. Indeed, he may even show a new fervor about convincing and converting other people to his view.

WOW!  Bunch of suppositions there bud.

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[Farmer Vincent 9544]

^  Ha.  Fred Trump sent him to military school because he was such an insufferable jerk.  

50 years later, disagreements over young Trump’s military academy record

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decades-later-disagreement-over-young-trumps-military-academy-post/2016/01/09/907a67b2-b3e0-11e5-a842-0feb51d1d124_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.73c6ce089d15

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May 27, 2019

2020 Candidates Aren’t Sure What To Do About Misinformation

Democratic leaders increase aid to campaigns, but they’re largely on their own.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/05/2020-candidates-misinformation/

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[grieker 3628]

On 5/28/2019 at 7:56 AM, prettylight said:

 

Like to know where UsHadrons "found" this.

Anyone not knowing Trump did not serve is a moron and anyone spreading this kind of information is a divisive ass-hat hoping to stir more shit in the pot.

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3 minutes ago, grieker said:

Like to know where UsHadrons "found" this.

Anyone not knowing Trump did not serve is a moron and anyone spreading this kind of information is a divisive ass-hat hoping to stir more shit in the pot.

apparently it was circulating on social media. More about it here:

In late August 2018, a reality-challenged meme circulated on social media that led some viewers to believe future U.S. president Donald Trump had not only been taken prisoner in Vietnam in 1963, but he had also been rescued by a young Soviet soldier who turned out to be future Russian president Vladimir Putin:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vladimir-putin-rescued-trump-vietnam/

[grieker 3628]

29 minutes ago, prettylight said:

apparently it was circulating on social media. More about it here:

In late August 2018, a reality-challenged meme circulated on social media that led some viewers to believe future U.S. president Donald Trump had not only been taken prisoner in Vietnam in 1963, but he had also been rescued by a young Soviet soldier who turned out to be future Russian president Vladimir Putin:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vladimir-putin-rescued-trump-vietnam/

Again, anyone not knowing, takes a simple search, that Trump did not serve is an ignor-anus.

This particular meme has progressive fingerprints all over it.

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2 minutes ago, grieker said:

Again, anyone not knowing, takes a simple search, that Trump did not serve is an ignor-anus.

This particular meme has progressive fingerprints all over it.

You mean, as a joke?

Was wondering, seriously, if it was Russian-generated, since disinformation seems to be a big tactic of theirs.

[grieker 3628]

Just now, prettylight said:

You mean, as a joke?

Was wondering, seriously, if it was Russian-generated, since disinformation seems to be a big tactic of theirs.

Likely RUSSIAN because they didn't want Trump and this would have a direct negative effect on Trump.  Just like the negative effect Doomenthal brought on himself with his stolen valor lies.

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23 minutes ago, grieker said:

Likely RUSSIAN because they didn't want Trump and this would have a direct negative effect on Trump.

 

How would it have a negative effect on him? It makes him look like a brave military guy (although they must be banking on Americans being incredibly ignorant, as you pointed out, not to know he didn't serve). And fit in some pro-Putin mythology, for good measure. Assuming Americans are idiots with less than zero grasp of history.

Edited June 7 by prettylight

[grieker 3628]

8 minutes ago, prettylight said:

 

How would it have a negative effect on him? It makes him look like a brave military guy (although they must be banking on Americans being incredibly ignorant, as you pointed out, not to know he didn't serve). And fit in some pro-Putin mythology, for good measure. Assuming Americans are idiots with less than zero grasp of history.

AGAIN PL - Anyone not knowing his lack of military service, PROGRESSIVES, would MAYBE do a bit of research - OR as in this particular case, there would be numerous responses on various social diseased platforms like facebook twitter, snapchat what have you, pushing back letting EVERYONE know the coward never served AND disgust would force ALL progressives to not vote for him and sway conservatives to not vote for him and would be accompanied with this meme.

 

[prettylight 2482]

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You'd think everyone would know it, but what if a lot of people (who don't even watch Fox News--to give Fox News credit, even they probably make it clear Trump didn't serve--but are on Facebook) have gone down a rabbit hole of disinformation, and are being bombarded with things like this?

[grieker 3628]

41 minutes ago, prettylight said:

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You'd think everyone would know it, but what if a lot of people (who don't even watch Fox News--to give Fox News credit, even they probably make it clear Trump didn't serve--but are on Facebook) have gone down a rabbit hole of disinformation, and are being bombarded with things like this?

If you visit facebook, instagram, twitter (I know you do twitter), you will find over 95% of political  information either distorted greatly or just fake news lies.

There is no shortage of morons who see something and "share" it perpetuating the lies across the web.

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10 minutes ago, grieker said:

If you visit facebook, instagram, twitter (I know you do twitter), you will find over 95% of political  information either distorted greatly or just fake news lies.

There is no shortage of morons who see something and "share" it perpetuating the lies across the web.

Yes! Exactly.

[Pastor of Muppets 5442]

20 minutes ago, grieker said:

If you visit facebook, instagram, twitter (I know you do twitter), you will find over 95% of political  information either distorted greatly or just fake news lies.

There is no shortage of morons who see something and "share" it perpetuating the lies across the web.

Then why do you keep doing it?

[grieker 3628]

23 minutes ago, Pastor of Muppets said:

Then why do you keep doing it?

Same reason I use cash man.

[Pastor of Muppets 5442]

2 hours ago, grieker said:

Same reason I use cash man.

Interesting.

What is the Ruble/USD exchange rate these days?