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President Trump is set to sign an executive order to shift the focus for hiring for federal government jobs from college degrees to skills, the White House announced on Friday.Trump is expected to sign the order on...

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Farmer Vincent

Is this really a departure from hiring according to a loyalty test or is co-chairs Ivanka and Wilbur Ross speaking in code?  Will the approved skills include science denial in favor of a theological view?  I wonder.  

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prettylight
10 minutes ago, Farmer Vincent said:

Is this really a departure from hiring according to a loyalty test or is co-chairs Ivanka and Wilbur Ross speaking in code?  Will the approved skills include science denial in favor of a theological view?  I wonder.  

Would the code be doing away with any leanings toward affirmative action--going back to hiring white men, less diversity?

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Pastor of Muppets

Ivanka should be glad nobody is applying a skills test to her "skillz".

P.S. why wasn't she able to be vetted again?

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lanzate

If there is anything that defines an old rich white “educated” liberal it’s someone who sits on hiring or accreditation boards that insist if you what to be a part of the “club” you have to go to specific institutions that can give you a piece of paper that will cost you $100k plus.    The racket Is part of the institutional racism in academic circles.   What trump has done has opened up enormous opportunities for minority applicants that have skills but not the expensive degree.   
Right now the fear in academia is real.   This virus has accelerated it even more as education is jumping away from 40k a year fluff degrees.    
 

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11 minutes ago, lanzate said:

If there is anything that defines an old rich white “educated” liberal it’s someone who sits on hiring or accreditation boards that insist if you what to be a part of the “club” you have to go to specific institutions that can give you a piece of paper that will cost you $100k plus.    The racket Is part of the institutional racism in academic circles.   What trump has done has opened up enormous opportunities for minority applicants that have skills but not the expensive degree.   
Right now the fear in academia is real.   This virus has accelerated it even more as education is jumping away from 40k a year fluff degrees.    
 

well, maybe also an old rich white "educated" conservative ;)

who also have those degrees, and steer their children in that direction

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lanzate

College is not for everyone.    3.9 million student loan borrowers have dropped out and are stuck with debt and no degree.   Their default rate is 4x’s those with a degree.   Many are simply getting bad advice from their guidance counselors.   

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Pastor of Muppets

What trump has done has opened up enormous opportunities for minority applicants that have skills but not the expensive degree.

What evidence do you have of this assertion?

 

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21 hours ago, lanzate said:

College is not for everyone

quite right--I think the most prosperous people we know have eighth-grade educations (not even high school diplomas), and they're world-class human beings, also.

Just, whatever is going to empower you. Don't let politicians talk you out of going to college when they themselves have two or three degrees (thinking of Rick Santorum--wasn't he anti-education, even though he had three degrees himself?).

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edited to add, yep: three degrees

Santorum attended Pennsylvania State University for his undergraduate studies, serving as chairman of the university's College Republicans chapter and graduating with a B.A. degree with honors in political science in 1980.[12] While at Penn State, Santorum joined the Tau Epsilon Phi fraternity.[13] He then completed a one-year M.B.A. program at the University of Pittsburgh's Joseph M. Katz Graduate School of Business, graduating in 1981.[14] In 1986, Santorum received a J.D. degree with honors from Dickinson School of Law.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum#Early_life_and_education

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Pastor of Muppets
15 minutes ago, o311mc said:

Why does she need to be vetted again? was the first time insufficient?

As national security advisor she has top clearance to our nations secrets. She was in the process of being denied when trump intervened and cleared her (and Jared) with the stroke of a pen. Jared couldn't pass because he is beholden to many foreign (adversary) nations through debt from their national banks, and he lied about all of his numerous foreign contacts.

It’s less clear why Ivanka was denied a clearance. CNN reports that because she and Kushner are married, his own issues could have been a factor, but even if that was the case, it wasn’t the only issue. As CNN reports, “Officials had concerns about granting Trump a clearance that were separate from those raised about her husband, according to one of the sources, though it’s unclear what the concerns regarding her were.”

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Education is many things   I don’t know much about rick Santorum but I’ll bet he was railing against education that in mono-cultured in thought police.  Phases of education are a continuum that you can trace back to time of Plato.   Today we call it post modernism  vs modernism but these phases go back and forth in all history.     In the 60s 70s and 80s post modernism ruled on college campuses    There was free thought   You could believe and interpret truth pretty much however you wanted.    The 90s saw a switch and the last 20 years universities have gone back to Greek philosophy and modernism. Truth is defined again and judged as absolute.   There is less grey allowed on campuses today.and coloring outside the lines of established thought is now frowned on or even mocked.  That was not the case 30 years ago when Santorum was in university.  
 

This article just came out today. 

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=15129

Predicts 1 to 2 thousand universities could fold in the next 5-10 years. The virus only exposed cracks that were already showing.    Whenever modernism pokes up in history there is always a backlash against it....always.   

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14 minutes ago, lanzate said:

Education is many things   I don’t know much about rick Santorum but I’ll bet he was railing against education that in mono-cultured in thought police.  Phases of education are a continuum that you can trace back to time of Plato.   Today we call it post modernism  vs modernism but these phases go back and forth in all history.     In the 60s 70s and 80s post modernism ruled on college campuses    There was free thought   You could believe and interpret truth pretty much however you wanted.    The 90s saw a switch and the last 20 years universities have gone back to Greek philosophy and modernism. Truth is defined again and judged as absolute.   There is less grey allowed on campuses today.and coloring outside the lines of established thought is now frowned on or even mocked.  That was not the case 30 years ago when Santorum was in university.  
 

This article just came out today. 

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=15129

Predicts 1 to 2 thousand universities could fold in the next 5-10 years. The virus only exposed cracks that were already showing.    Whenever modernism pokes up in history there is always a backlash against it....always.   

Was that your experience, Lanzate?

asked respectfully, only if it isn't too personal

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lanzate

Everyone is on a continuum.  Like socialist or capitalist we are a mixture of both and not really one or the other.   My professors we certainly more on the post modern side but someone at another university at the same time period may have had a different experience.    
When truth is clearly defined for the masses whether you have a class of 50 or a class of 50,000 there is no difference to what is taught or learned.    Modernism right or wrong will always be more efficient. 

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We are clearly moving towards the class size of 50,000.   Costs of education will come down.    Modernism means mechanization.   Efficiency....a cheaper outcome but with less creativity or diversity of views.    It will work for awhile and then those who define the truth will get greedy and then the backlash will begin again.   

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Farmer Vincent
55 minutes ago, lanzate said:

Everyone is on a continuum.  Like socialist or capitalist we are a mixture of both and not really one or the other.   My professors we certainly more on the post modern side but someone at another university at the same time period may have had a different experience.    
When truth is clearly defined for the masses whether you have a class of 50 or a class of 50,000 there is no difference to what is taught or learned.    Modernism right or wrong will always be more efficient. 

Doesn't something like healthcare under capitalism come into conflict between modernism and postmodernism?  Postmodernism shows our incapacity to comply with the capitalist ideology, therefore can serve as a way of thinking outside the box like other countries have done with some success.  

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Socialized healthcare requires mechanization which falls under modernism.  Check the boxes and here is your treatment.   That is the way every other country does it and that is where we are moving to.   I was part of Japanese universal health system for a number of years.  They do it kind of the way Canada and Europe does it where you have socialized basic care that is methodical mechanized and impersonal but then most people buy secondary insurance which allows greater creativity of care and more personal doctors.      Post modern approaches require discussions and work better in capitalist systems where competition drives innovation and prices.    This is why if you have a disease  that’s is very routine to cure or fix you do better at a country with socialized care.    But if you have a rare condition that requires creative treatment capitalist countries like the United States are a better option but that is changing.  

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grieker
On 6/26/2020 at 10:44 PM, Pastor of Muppets said:

What trump has done has opened up enormous opportunities for minority applicants that have skills but not the expensive degree.

What evidence do you have of this assertion?

 

Even a blind, dear and dumb moron can look back at the black unemployment rates across the nation and how they were at record lows.  

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    Black Unemployment grew after the Great Recession when millions of jobs were wiped out due to the housing crisis of 2008. Post-recession Black unemployment peaked in March 2010 at 16.8%. From there Black unemployment began a 53% decline which continued during the rest of the Obama

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    The economic policies of our first black president exacerbated black unemployment during the recession, helping black unemployment to reach or exceed 16 percent on 11 occasions. Obama Administration officials told us that high national unemployment, high black unemployment

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    Aug 22, 2013 · Black unemployment, which at the end of the Bush administration broke a decades-long pattern of being twice white unemployment, has resumed its disturbing and prolonged trend under President Obama,...

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simpleton
1 hour ago, GeezUS said:

That graphic should make griekey SHUT THE FUCK UP.  LOL

Why?  It has steadily fallen under Trump and shot up as a result of covid.  

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GeezUS
7 minutes ago, simpleton said:

Why?  It has steadily fallen under Trump and shot up as a result of covid.  

And before that it has steadily fallen under Obama and the reason it shot up early in his presidency is because of BUSH's depression.

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simpleton
19 minutes ago, GeezUS said:

And before that it has steadily fallen under Obama and the reason it shot up early in his presidency is because of BUSH's depression.

And even with covid it's lower than its peak.  How has trump been bad for black employment?

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GeezUS
6 minutes ago, simpleton said:

And even with covid it's lower than its peak.  How has trump been bad for black employment?

Refusing to study/take advice on the seriousness of COVID-19 resulting in this SHIT STORM.

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simpleton
2 minutes ago, GeezUS said:

Refusing to study/take advice on the seriousness of COVID-19 resulting in this SHIT STORM.

So thats specific to blacks?

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Farmer Vincent
8 minutes ago, simpleton said:

And even with covid it's lower than its peak.  How has trump been bad for black employment?

Compare it to the end of Obama's term if you're going to be fair.  

Trump screwed up the virus response big time and that had a devastating effect on employment across the board.  It's going to be some time until Democrats can clean up the mess yet again.  What worries me is that Trump appears to be aiming to give Putin a parting gift by doing away with the Volker Act and allowing big banks to go back to the Wall St. Casino.  I estimate that he'll be breaking ground on Trump Tower Moscow within two years.  

 

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1 minute ago, Farmer Vincent said:

Compare it to the end of Obama's term if you're going to be fair.  

Trump screwed up the virus response big time and that had a devastating effect on employment across the board.  It's going to be some time until Democrats can clean up the mess yet again.  What worries me is that Trump appears to be aiming to give Putin a parting gift by doing away with the Volker Act and allowing big banks to go back to the Wall St. Casino.  I estimate that he'll be breaking ground on Trump Tower Moscow within two years.  

 

comparing covid unemployment to anything isn't a fair comparison.   

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Farmer Vincent
Just now, simpleton said:

comparing covid unemployment to anything isn't a fair comparison.   

Why?  A responsible leader could have (1) not thrown the pandemic manual in the trash (2) not gutted the pandemic response team (3) not fired the forward virus watchdog in China (4) responded quickly to the intelligence coming out of China and set in motion a quick response team (5) assigned an experienced and professional team of healthcare officials to prepare and gather resources and put together test kits (6) Declared a health emergency and put someone like Fauci in charge of keeping everyone informed and provide advice.  

We already know what happened, how he downplayed it and how it was allowed to get out of control.  The economy tanked and 40 million were out of work as a direct result of the too little, too late actions.  And he still is refusing to properly deal with it, believing that things are just rosy and he's doing a fantastic job.  

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