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On 8/17/2020 at 9:29 PM, grieker said:

By "we" I presume you mean YOU progressives.  The rest of America is doing pretty damn good.  Unless you're in one of those shit-hole third-world cities across America.

from yesterday,

70 percent of new coronavirus cases are coming from red states

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/515038-70-percent-of-new-coronavirus-cases-are-coming-from-red-states

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Trump has installed Scott Atlas, a frequent guest on Fox News, to effectively replace Fauci. Although Atlas is a doctor, he is wildly unqualified for the role. Atlas is not an infectious disease expert or epidemiologist. He is a radiologist. His 159-page CV contains no references to "epidemiology," "epidemic," "virus," or "viral." 

Atlas' primary qualification is that he tells Trump what he wants to hear. Atlas has called for the reopening of schools, raised doubts about the efficacy of masks, criticized lockdowns, and downplayed the importance of testing. These positions are not supported by reliable scientific evidence. And they are rejected by subject-matter experts. But those positions, because they are favored by Trump, have put Atlas at the center of the federal government response to the pandemic.

Atlas, according to Politico, is "part of a tiny group of advisers who meet every morning to chart the daily response to Covid-19." The group also includes Jared Kushner and Steven Miller, two other people with no qualifications to be involved in such an effort. 

On Monday, the Washington Post reported that Atlas is using his new influence to push Trump toward a "herd immunity" strategy. That involves allowing the virus to quickly spread through the population, while protecting some vulnerable groups, to allow most people to build immunity to the coronavirus. It has been pursued in Sweden with disastrous results.  

 

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https://popular.info/p/the-corporate-conflicts-of-trumps

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1 hour ago, prettylight said:

Trump has installed Scott Atlas, a frequent guest on Fox News, to effectively replace Fauci. Although Atlas is a doctor, he is wildly unqualified for the role. Atlas is not an infectious disease expert or epidemiologist. He is a radiologist. His 159-page CV contains no references to "epidemiology," "epidemic," "virus," or "viral." 

Atlas' primary qualification is that he tells Trump what he wants to hear. Atlas has called for the reopening of schools, raised doubts about the efficacy of masks, criticized lockdowns, and downplayed the importance of testing. These positions are not supported by reliable scientific evidence. And they are rejected by subject-matter experts. But those positions, because they are favored by Trump, have put Atlas at the center of the federal government response to the pandemic.

Atlas, according to Politico, is "part of a tiny group of advisers who meet every morning to chart the daily response to Covid-19." The group also includes Jared Kushner and Steven Miller, two other people with no qualifications to be involved in such an effort. 

On Monday, the Washington Post reported that Atlas is using his new influence to push Trump toward a "herd immunity" strategy. That involves allowing the virus to quickly spread through the population, while protecting some vulnerable groups, to allow most people to build immunity to the coronavirus. It has been pursued in Sweden with disastrous results.  

 

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https://popular.info/p/the-corporate-conflicts-of-trumps

Have you looked at the death rate percentage of American deaths?  You know, that number that is NOT REPORTED by the lyin' progressive, fake news media machines.

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10 hours ago, grieker said:

Have you looked at the death rate percentage of American deaths?  You know, that number that is NOT REPORTED by the lyin' progressive, fake news media machines.

 
Key model predicts 400,000 coronavirus deaths in US by January (the number of Americans who died during World War II)
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"Trump has a plan for coronavirus: herd immunity.

Say goodbye to your parents, your neighbors, and your friends.

Because the Trump plan will kill millions in the next four years."

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Just now: On a White House call to discuss the pro-herd immunity "Great Barrington Declaration," a senior administration official says the Trump administration is not endorsing the pro-herd immunity document but it reflects what has been administration policy all along.

Not a single epidemiologist, infectious disease, or public health expert from the White House Coronavirus Task Force was on the call. No Fauci, no Birx, no Redfield, no Adams.

 

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On 9/4/2020 at 12:26 PM, grieker said:

Have you looked at the death rate percentage of American deaths?  You know, that number that is NOT REPORTED by the lyin' progressive, fake news media machines.

The United States' stubbornly high coronavirus death rate

Other wealthy countries' fell much more over time

Although other wealthy countries have higher overall coronavirus mortality rates than the United States, the U.S. death rate since May is unrivaled among its peers, according to a new study published in JAMA.

Axios

https://www.axios.com/united-states-coronavirus-death-rate-a40eb02b-bf8c-4146-8ef2-3cfd6b22de5b.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

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U.S. Virus-Death Rate Is World’s Worst Among Developed Nations

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October 12, 2020, 11:00 AM EDT
  • Study says mortality worsened amid scattershot health steps
  • In other countries hit hard in spring, death rates leveled off
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Earlier you mentioned Sweden's not-very-successful experiment with it, Grieker:

 

The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be a Model for the Rest of the World

"As of mid-August, herd immunity was still “nowhere in sight,” according to a Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine study. That shouldn’t have been a surprise. After all, herd immunity to an infectious disease has never been achieved without a vaccine."

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

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White House officials promote herd immunity declaration signed by fake names: report

 

White House officials have promoted a declaration supporting herd immunity that has reportedly been signed by fake names, The New York Times reported Tuesday. 

In a Monday phone call, White House officials cited the Great Barrington Declaration, which argues that the government should push for herd immunity with more infections among the healthy population, according to two senior administration officials.

Supporters of the declaration use it to argue against lockdowns and more reopenings during the pandemic. 

“Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health,” the declaration states.

“The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk.”

The declaration has been signed by 445,902 concerned citizens, 9,510 medical and public health scientists and 25,049 medical practitioners, according to its website. But Sky News found last week that dozens of fake names had signed the document, including Dr. I.P. Freely, Dr. Person Fakename and Dr. Johnny Bananas.

 

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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/520961-white-house-officials-promote-herd-immunity-declaration-signed-by-fake

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wow:

The ‘think-tank’ behind the Great Barrington Declaration is part-funded by right-wing American billionaire Charles Koch

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Documents seen by Byline Times confirm that the Great Barrington Declaration advocating a ‘herd immunity’ approach to the COVID-19 pandemic has been sponsored by an institution embedded in a Koch-funded network that denies climate science while investing in polluting fossil fuel industries.

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/10/09/climate-science-denial-network-behind-great-barrington-declaration/

 

 

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(keep accidentally hitting "quote" instead of edit)

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Great Barrington business owners, town leaders speak out against open letter

Great Barrington business owners and town leaders want to assure people it is a COVID-safe community.

They are taking action because of something called the Great Barrington Declaration.

The controversial open letter advocates for herd immunity and says lockdowns are unnecessary. The American Institute for Economic Research in Great Barrington developed it.

The town had no role in it.

https://wnyt.com/capital-region-comeback/great-barrington-business-owners-town-leaders-speak-out-against-open-letter-great-barrington-declaration-coronavirus-pandemic-berkshire-county-/5896752/?cat=10114

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What Fans of ‘Herd Immunity’ Don’t Tell You

A proposal to let people with low risk of infection live without constraint could lead to a million or more preventable deaths.

Experts say that Chip Roy's dangerous proposal — “herd immunity” with no vaccine — would result in over 800,000 American deaths and hospitals across the country reaching capacity. That's not fighting the virus. That’s surrendering to it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/opinion/coronavirus-herd-immunity.html?referringSource=articleShare

via https://twitter.com/wendydavis/status/1318339093487669250

 

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