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GeezUS
15 minutes ago, grieker said:

Exactly - it ain't settled and all the "black hole" theorists of the climate world  can't get buy the FACT that the earths climate has cycled in extremes dozens of times before

One more time... as the article states...

our understanding of the big picture: humans are causing global warming.

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grieker
14 hours ago, GeezUS said:

One more time... as the article states...

our understanding of the big picture: humans are causing global warming.

That's nothing more than an opinion.  What the progressives and the other alarmists want is to destroy America in order to, what they believe is possible, stop global warming.  It is not possible as the recent ice age proves.  

NOTHING and/or NO ONE can stop the Earth from it's cycles - NOTHING!  You know it, but you are willing to destroy to "TRY" to do the impossible.

Anyone willing to destroy our lifestyle as it currently is to ultimately fail to stop global warming is doing it for selfish reasons.

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Pastor of Muppets
50 minutes ago, grieker said:

That's nothing more than an opinion.  What the progressives and the other alarmists want is to destroy America in order to, what they believe is possible, stop global warming.  It is not possible as the recent ice age proves.  

NOTHING and/or NO ONE can stop the Earth from it's cycles - NOTHING!  You know it, but you are willing to destroy to "TRY" to do the impossible.

Anyone willing to destroy our lifestyle as it currently is to ultimately fail to stop global warming is doing it for selfish reasons.

Trump destroyed our lifestyle, economy, reputation, and country. Just off the top of my head.

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grieker
1 minute ago, Pastor of Muppets said:

Trump destroyed our lifestyle, economy, reputation, and country. Just off the top of my head.

Too much socialist, progressive lyin progressive fake news for you my friend.

Fact:  Trump built the greatest economy on the planet!

Fact:  Trump did more for the betterment of minorities than any other person in history!

Fact:  America has recovered quicker from the Wuhan China Virus than any other major country on the planet!

Fact:  You can dispute the above facts as you always do, but you cannot prove them wrong.

 

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GeezUS
1 hour ago, grieker said:

That's nothing more than an opinion.

It's not an opinion it's what science is saying. One more time from the article that you FAILED to read and FAILED to understand because you're ignorant or continue to ignore man-made greenhouse gases... the IPCC’s 2007 conclusion that it is more than 90% certain that anthropogenic greenhouse gases are causing most of the observed global warming.

90% certainty is pretty close to being "settled" science.

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grieker
3 minutes ago, GeezUS said:

It's not an opinion it's what science is saying. One more time from the article that you FAILED to read and FAILED to understand because you're ignorant or continue to ignore man-made greenhouse gases... the IPCC’s 2007 conclusion that it is more than 90% certain that anthropogenic greenhouse gases are causing most of the observed global warming.

90% certainty is pretty close to being "settled" science.

Can't have settled science - otherwise science ceases.  

90% certain - Dateline November 2016 - progressives and the lyin progressive fake news media machines were 100% certain Hillary would win - ON ELECTION EVE!

Anthropogenic nonsense.

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GeezUS
1 hour ago, grieker said:

Can't have settled science - otherwise science ceases.

Again... you didn't read the article and ignored it like you would ignore a red-headed stepchild at a family reunion. You're talking out your ASS ignoring the effect of man-made greenhouse gases on global warming. I hope your kids aren't as stupid as you are. Ignoring what experts (climatologists) have to say speaks volumes on just how FUCKin' stupid you are about global warming.

Gee I wonder who the average person should believe... you and the information you get from a chem trail website or thousands of climatologists (experts)? You are one stupid fuck.

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Farmer Vincent

G is like Trump.  Thinks he knows more than 99% of the scientists.  He'll change as soon as there's a Republican candidate who believes the climate science, so no holding of breaths. 

Isn't it odd though, for someone to believe the scientists that have determined how many times, when, and why there were climate swings in the past but doesn't believe them when climate science is more advanced and has much more sophisticated instruments for measuring and sampling than at any time in history.  

 

What is causing climate change?

Geological records stretching back millions of years indicate a number of large variations in Earth’s climate. These have been caused by many natural factors, including changes in the sun, volcanoes, Earth’s orbit and CO2 levels.

However, research by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) shows that it is 90% likely that human activity has caused more recent global warming.

Greenhouse gas emissions

Evidence that CO2 emissions are the cause of global warming is very robust. Scientists have known since the early 1800s that gases in the atmosphere trap heat.

Global CO2 emissions from human activity have increased by over 400% since 1950. As a result, the concentration of CO2 in the air has reached more than 400 parts per million by volume (ppm), compared to about 280ppm in pre-industrial times (pre-1750). 

The Earth’s natural climate cycle

Over the last 800,000 years, there have been natural cycles in the Earth’s climate. There have been ice ages and warmer interglacial periods. After the last ice age 20,000 years ago, average global temperature rose by about 3°C to 8°C, over a period of about 10,000 years.

We can link the rises in temperature over the last 200 years to rises in atmospheric CO2 levels. Rises in temperature are now well above the natural cycle of the last 800,000 years. 

 

 

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simpleton

What I get from that is "90% sure that MOST of the greenhouse gases are from manmade activity."  That's less than 100%.  I have little doubt that manmade activity is a big factor in global warming.  I also know that studying an ecosystem as vast as the entire planet is incredibly complex, and that there's probably more that we don't know than we do know.  

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Farmer Vincent
9 minutes ago, simpleton said:

What I get from that is "90% sure that MOST of the greenhouse gases are from manmade activity."  That's less than 100%.  I have little doubt that manmade activity is a big factor in global warming.  I also know that studying an ecosystem as vast as the entire planet is incredibly complex, and that there's probably more that we don't know than we do know.  

Part of the complexity of our planet is the diversity of species.  Many have already gone extinct and the remaining have been drastically reduced in number in a relatively short period of time.  Whenever something goes extinct it leaves another blank space in the food chain, having a negative effect on other species.  The more diverse the life on this planet, the better off all living things are.  With the information that we do have, do you think it's a good idea to err on the side of fossil fuels?  

Nature doesn't play politics, but the choice we have between these two candidates is as stark as night and day.  Not only has Trump denied climate change but has also reverted regulations on pollution control and promises to do more of the same if reelected.  He's already lifted the ban on the herbicide linked to the decline of honey bees.  Without those bees, we'll have terrible food shortages.  

Biden, on the other hand, recognizes the opportunity for jobs in the green energy sector as well as a the importance of buying time by doing whatever we can to mitigate the effects of climate change.  And he'll listen to the scientists. 

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GeezUS
17 minutes ago, grieker said:

We also know that we CAN NEVER EVER EVER STOP THE CYCLE.

Please post a link to dozens of scientific articles showing the warming "cycle" we're now in is being caused by nature and not man. If you can't, then SHUT THE FUCK UP!

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Farmer Vincent
42 minutes ago, simpleton said:

That from a guy who advocates eradicating all mosquitos because they're harmful to humans.   Be aware, whenever there are mass extinctions, the apex predator (that's us) always has become extinct.

I'm all for doing the things you think will reduce carbon emissions, for a variety of reasons.  I also believe there's a lot we don't fully understand about the earth's ecosystem and climate.

Mosquitoes have never served a beneficial purpose.  There are many parasites that wouldn't be missed.  There are insects, fish, and animals that become a scourge when transplanted to other areas that don't have natural defenses against their destructive habits.  That's almost always caused by things hitching rides on human transportation or intentionally released.  Microorganisms far outnumber anything else and there are many that can be called a scourge.  Fortunately we humans are host to a great many beneficial ones.  In fact, it's been said that the purpose of humans is to host and continue the replication of bacteria.  

Trump continues to claim that birds are being slaughtered by wind turbines, so we shouldn't have wind turbines.  That's wrongheaded, of course.  Climate change has had an effect on migratory patterns and pollution doesn't help.  Overall, bird populations have declined by 29% since 1970.  If we want to have a chance at mitigating warming we'll have to use a variety of clean energy sources and the use of clean energy should help prevent population declines.  

 

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Farmer Vincent
2 minutes ago, simpleton said:

No scientist would support the eradication of an entire genus because they are harmful to humans.  They benefit the species that eat them, for one.  

I'm good with the effort in Florida of releasing genetically modified mosquitoes that are disease resistant.   

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Farmer Vincent
1 minute ago, simpleton said:

Cause efforts like that have never had unintended consequences. 

Using herbicides that cause mass die offs of bees has unintended cosequences.

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Farmer Vincent

The warming trend following the Last Glacial Maximum, since about 20,000 years ago, has resulted in a sea level rise by about 130 metres. This warming trend subsided about 6,000 years ago, and sea level has been comparatively stable since the Neolithic. The present interglacial period (the Holocene climatic optimum) has been fairly stable and warm, but the previous one was interrupted by numerous cold spells lasting hundreds of years. If the previous period was more typical than the present one, the period of stable climate, which allowed the Neolithic Revolution and by extension human civilization, may have been possible only because of a highly unusual period of stable temperature.[36]

Based on orbital models, the cooling trend initiated about 6,000 years ago will continue for another 23,000 years.[37] Slight changes in the Earth's orbital parameters may, however, indicate that, even without any human contribution, there will not be another glacial period for the next 50,000 years.[38] It is possible that the current cooling trend may be interrupted by an interstadial (a warmer period) in about 60,000 years, with the next glacial maximum reached only in about 100,000 years.[39]

Based on past estimates for interglacial durations of about 10,000 years, in the 1970s there was some concern that the next glacial period would be imminent. However, slight changes in the eccentricity of Earth's orbit around the Sun suggest a lengthy interglacial lasting about another 50,000 years.[40] Additionally, human impact is now seen as possibly extending what would already be an unusually long warm period. Projection of the timeline for the next glacial maximum depend crucially on the amount of CO
2 in the atmosphere. Models assuming increased CO
2 levels at 750 parts per million (ppm; current levels are at 407 ppm[41]) have estimated the persistence of the current interglacial period for another 50,000 years.[42] However, more recent studies concluded that the amount of heat trapping gases emitted into Earth's oceans and atmosphere will prevent the next glacial (ice age), which otherwise would begin in around 50,000 years, and likely more glacial cycles.[43][44]

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simpleton
3 minutes ago, Farmer Vincent said:

Using herbicides that cause mass die offs of bees has unintended cosequences.

So let's genetically modify mosquitoes.   What could possibly go wrong?

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GeezUS
14 minutes ago, grieker said:

Don't recall ever saying that man is not contributing - man is not the cause!

One more time... post a link to dozens of scientific articles where nature and not man is the cause to the current warming. Please... no chem trail websites or to weathermen from San Diego whose degree is a B.A. in English.

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Farmer Vincent
Just now, simpleton said:

So let's genetically modify mosquitoes.   What could possibly go wrong?

You tell me.  If disease resistant mosquitoes replace large populations of disease carrying mosquitoes, what's the downside?  

How about murder hornets?  Should they be protected?  

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Farmer Vincent
3 minutes ago, simpleton said:

The simple guess is that the diseases that mosquitoes carry will not be eradicated,  but they will find other hosts and ways to spread, and little will be accomplished.   Our continual efforts to interfere with natural processes have often led to worse problems.  But you seem to want to keep at it.   Mankind has dominion over the earth after all.

Are you an anti-vaxxer too?  

Single celled microorganisms such as malaria (plasmodium) are living things that are spread by mosquitoes.  The plague, dengue fever, etc. are all part of the living environment.  

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Farmer Vincent
24 minutes ago, simpleton said:

Refer to my initial post in this thread.  Too bad you can't have a conversation without stereotyping the person you're talking to.  People can have a variety of views.  You're constant lumping together of people is somewhat offensive, and an indication of your inability to see people as individuals. 

I was just debating you on your stance about human interference with living organisms.  A vaccine is a type of interference with a natural occurrence and we shouldn't have a worry about disrupting nature's structure.  

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